Playing with our pension money in Queensland, without taking Global oil depletion into account. So far, it's a sorry litany of avoiding key questions . . . . . QIC is Australia's second largest wholesale funds manager, and I'm a member of "Q Super" (a fund servicing all Queensland Government employees), who are their clients.
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3rd May 2006 |
"Goodmorning, I am a member of the Queensland Government superannuation fund, Q-Super . . . . . "
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11th May 2006
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Reply from Q Super - 11th May 2006 "Dear Mrs. Bax, QSuper Investments Thankyou for your fax dated 3 May regarding investing in the proposed Brisbane North-South Bypass Tunnel ("the Bypass Tunnel") . . . "
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18th May 2006
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Further reply from Mrs. Kim Bax emailed on the 18th May 2006 "Dear Don, Thankyou very much for your letter to me dated 11th May 2006, in relation to my concerns over potential investments in the proposed Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel . . . "
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18th May 2006
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Email sent to QIC from Mrs. Kim Bax on the 18th May 2006 "Goodmorning,
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19th May 2006
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Response from the QIC - 19th May 2 "Dear Mrs. Bax Thank you for your email.
QIC, as the appointed manager of the QSuper fund operates under the
investment policies and objectives established by the QSuper Board in
the best interests of their superannuation members . . . "
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19th May 2006 |
Further response from Mrs. Kim Bax to the QIC - 19th May 2006
"Goodmorning,
Re:- Taking "Peak Oil" (or global oil depletion), into
account in future investment decisions
Thankyou for getting back to me so quickly, however - my original email
was very specifically addressed to named individuals on both the Board
and the Executive Management. I note your response only indicates
it's from "QIC." Is that because no named individual
wishes to take written responsibility for avoiding my very serious and
very specific questions? . . . ."
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23rd May 2006 |
Further email from Mrs. Kim Bax, 23rd May 2006, to both Q Super & QIC
"Goodmorning again,
Just a short missive to keep you updated.
I've made a submission (to-day), to this Senate Inquiry:-
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24th May 2006 |
Further question from Mrs. Kim Bax, 24th May 2006, to both Q Super & QIC
"Re:- Plunging Sydney toll profits
Goodmorning,
I assume this article - 23rd May 2006 - and the official figures it
quotes, will figure prominently in any decision on whether or not to
sink my pension money into the Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel?
You can add that to my list of official questions, as "No.
6":-
<<Sydney Morning Herald - 23rd May 2006 . . . . ."
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24th May 2006 |
Another question from Mrs. Kim Bax, on the 24th May 2006, to both Q Super & QIC
"Re:- Brisbane Lord Mayor Campbell "Woodchips" Newman
Goodmorning,
Here's question no. 7 in relation to ploughing pension funds into the
Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel.
Will you be taking serious account of Campbell Newman's futuristic
fantasies, incorrect knowledge base and bizarre assumptions when
deciding whether or not to dump portions of my money into this project?
. . ."
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25th May 2006
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"Dear Campbell & Peter, Two very direct questions for you, about the ultimate profitability (or otherwise), of the Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel. 1. What's your direct response to "The Hirsch Report"? 2. What's your direct response to millionaire energy banker Matt Simmons assertion that:- "Oil use will always equal supply plus stock liquidation." . . . . ." |
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A Reminder to the Queensland Investment Corporation "Goodmorning, Over one calendar month ago (May 2006), I sent the board and management of QIC some questions about the risks associated with investing pension money in the planned "Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel," in the light of widely acknowledged global oil depletion. As of todays date, 5th of July 2006, these questions have neither been acknowledged, or answered . . . . " |
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A Further Reminder to the Queensland Investment Corporation "Re:- 3 month old unanswered questions about investing my pension fund in the The Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel, in relation to global oil depletion Goodmorning, Almost 3 months ago, on the 19th May 2006, I sent you these questions about investing my money in the North South Brisbane Bypass Tunnel, taking into account global oil depletion:- . . . . " |
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11th August 2006
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Response from the QIC - 11th August 2006 Dear Mrs Bax I have been requested to respond to you . . . .
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A Further response from Kim Bax to QIC Dear Andrew, If you check out this web page of mine:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm You'll see that I have (very obviously), already written to Q Super on these matters, on the 3rd May 2006 . . . . |
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Fax sent to Q-Super from a member, Mrs. Kim Bax (re warning against investing in the Brisbane Tunnel from a member - with key information and circulation list) - 3rd May 2006 (Back to top) 1 Wednesday 3rd May 2006 Gerard Bradley – Under Treasurer & Chairman of the Board Linda Apelt – Board Member Terri Hamilton – Board Member Tony Hawkins – Board Member Helen Ringrose – Board Member Chris Barrett – Board Member Karen Peut – Board Member Gary Ryan – Board Member Steve Ryan – Board Member Gary Wilkinson – Board Member Rosemary Vilgan – Chief Executive Officer Alex Beavers – Chief Strategy Officer Don Kofoed – Chief Operating Officer Cliff Kaye – Chief Financial Officer Peter Lockington - General Manager, Finance Lyn Melcer - General Manager, Superannuation Policy David Wood - General Manager, Operations And please
circulate copies to:-
Michael Irving - General Manager, Marketing & Development Anne Murchison - General Manager, Member Services Greg Hoskin - General Manager, Information, Communication & Technology Sonya Sawtell-Rickson - General Manager, Investment Services Barry Cook - General Manager, Insurance Management Donna Wright – Manager, Human Resources & Administration Graham Smith – Manager, Business Solutions Chris Iddon – Manager, Portfolio Management Office Goodmorning, I am a member of the Queensland Government
superannuation fund, Q-Super. I
was concerned to read this in "The Courier Mail" (of "Investors will have the opportunity to buy securities in the tunnel project." http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,18946264-5003660,00.html It concerned me even more when I read these warnings (April 2006):- "Ever-increasing oil prices will mean serious risk for investments in the Brisbane North-South Bypass Tunnel," And:- "Superannuation fund managers who do not closely
assess the risks that Peak Oil will bring will have more than retirees'
incomes at stake. ASPO-Australia
will be approaching regulatory authorities to increase the level of
oversight of high-risk investment options like the These serious reservations were expressed by Bruce Robinson, convenor of the Australian branch of "The Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas (ASPO)." This is a world-wide organisation, made up of scientists who have worked in the oil industry for years. Here's a link to the full text:- http://www.aspo-australia.org.au/content/view/100/1/ Mr. Bruce Robinson's concerns are more than backed up by the recent USA Government "Hirsch Report." Here's some relevant links in regard to that:- Firstly, the “Wikpedia” entry for the document:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report Secondly, Robert Hirsch’s own summary of the report:- http://acus.org/docs/051007-Hirsch_World_Oil_Production.pdf Thirdly, the full report itself:- http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf In addition, Matt Simmons, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047173876X/102-9608053-5082512?v=glance&n=283155 Further, arrangements are under way for me to speak to my local Chamber of Commerce (Beaudesert), on these matters. I'll probably be showing them a recently made 27 minute DVD on the issues, called "Imposed by Nature." Here's a link to more information on that:- http://www.postcarbon.org/node/404 I strongly suggest you purchase and watch a copy. Therefore (firstly), I want to ask you if Q-Super is considering investing its members retirement funds in the mooted Brisbane Tunnel (or already has) - and if so (secondly), I would wish to ask you how this can possibly be justified, in the light of the unequivocal information above. Or does Q-Super know more than the most experienced and knowledgeable group of oil scientists and bankers on the planet? Please DO NOT risk my retirement funds - and the
funds of thousands upon thousands of other I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Kim cc – cc – cc – Queenland’s local councillors cc - ASPO And a public copy posted here:- www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm (with a space for the reply) |
| The letter
(in reply to Mrs. Kim Bax), from Q Super - 11th May 2006
2 Letter from QSuper dated 11th May 2006 - (received via Australia Post on the 17th May 2006):- (Back to top)
Dear Mrs. Bax, QSuper Investments Thankyou for your fax dated 3 May regarding investing in the proposed Brisbane North-South Bypass Tunnel ("the Bypass Tunnel"). The QSuper Board of Trustees has a responsibility to ensure member's retirement savings are well managed. QSuper employs QIC as its investment manager. Before a new investment is made by QIC, rigorous research and analysis is undertaken to ensure the investment aligns with the QSuper Board's invetment mandate, and is likely to achieve the desired level of return. Your concerns about the investment risk associated with this investment have been noted. I can advise that to date QIC has not invested in the proposed Bypass Tunnel. I understand that the Bypass Tunnel may be listed on the Australian Stock Exchange in the future. If this occurs, it will be assessed on its investment merits by QIC, and other investment managers employed by QIC, to decide whether the shares constitute a good investment. Please note that QSuper has a Socially Responsible Member investment choice option, which is designed for members who have other investment criteria. I trust this response, made on behalf of the Board of Trusteees and management of this office, answers you enquiry. Yours faithfully
Don Kofoed Chief Operating Officer |
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Further response from Mrs. Kim Bax (to the letter from Q Super), emailed to them on the 18th May 2006 (Back to top) 3
Dear Don, Thankyou very much for your letter to me dated 11th May 2006, in relation to my concerns over potential investments in the proposed Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel. I'm very relieved to hear that - to date - no member monies have been invested in this doomed project. Also, thankyou for your comments about the socially responsible option - it's a very worthwhile choice. However, my concerns (at least, the ones I was writing to you about), re the viability of investment in the proposed Brisbane Tunnel project, were wholly and solely based on its' core financial credentials - something any member (whether socially concerned or not), would be acutely interested in. Also, if as you say:- "The QSuper Board of Trustees has a responsibility to ensure member's retirement savings are well managed. QSuper employs QIC as its investment manager. Before a new investment is made by QIC, rigorous research and analysis is undertaken to ensure the investment aligns with the QSuper Board's invetment mandate, and is likely to achieve the desired level of return." Then it's inconceivable that QSuper (or the QIC), could ignore "The Hirsch Report," or severe warnings from some of the most eminent and experienced oil geologists/scientists on the planet - both of which I have referred to you. Also, thankyou for your information about QIC. I will be in contact with them about my concerns - and you can access my missive to them here:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm Best wishes, Kim |
| Email sent
to QIC from Mrs. Kim Bax on the 18th May 2006
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Thank you for your email.
QIC, as the appointed manager of the QSuper fund operates under the
investment policies and objectives established by the QSuper Board in
the best interests of their superannuation members.
As indicated in QSuper's response to your enquiry, the QSuper Board and
management are committed to ensuring the retirement savings of their
members are well managed.
Regards
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Further
response from Mrs. Kim Bax to the QIC - 19th May 2006
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From:- To:- The Board:- Trevor Rowe | Ken MacDonald | John Allpass | Ian Brusasco AM | David Harrison | Marian Micalizzi | Maurice Newman And Executive Management:- Doug McTaggart | Laurie Brindle | Susan Buckley | Michael Cottier | John Gethin-Jones | Brad Holzberger
cc - Queensland's Federal politicians
cc - Queensland's State politicians
cc - Queensland's local councillors
cc - Queensland's local newspapers
cc - Queensland's Trade Unions
cc - Courier Mail (journalists)
Goodmorning,
Re:- Taking "Peak Oil" (or global oil depletion), into
account in future investment decisions
Thankyou for getting back to me so quickly, however - my original email
was very specifically addressed to named individuals on both the Board
and the Executive Management. I note your response only indicates
it's from "QIC." Is that because no named individual
wishes to take written responsibility for avoiding my very serious and
very specific questions?
I repeat them again here for your benefit (five in all):-
1. What is your response to the concerns from ASPO?
2. What is your response to "The Hirsch Report"?
3. Could you please direct me to your internal policy
documents, that currently factor in the effects of "Peak
Oil" into your investment
decisions?
4. Have you, as yet, been asked by QSuper to assess the
viability of investing in the Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel?
5. If and when this request is received, will your
responses be factoring in an opinion from ASPO, and also taking into
account "The
Hirsch Report"?
I would also wish to remind you that I am a member of Q Super, and as
such, it is MY money you are playing with - not to mention the money
of millions of other workers. My questions are not trivial, they
go to the heart or whether or not any future investment is likely to
be viable or not. How on earth can you avoid and ignore global
oil depletion? In my opinion (and the opinion of many other I
may add), to do so is the height of arrogance - not to mention the
height of incompetence.
How dare you avoid legitimate questions from someone who's money you
are responsible for.
Please A, send me a response endorsed by a named individual - and B,
send me a response that addresses all five of my very specific
questions. You will continue hearing from me (as will the
circulation list above), until my very legitimate and reasonable
questions are very specifically addressed.
Regards, Kim
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email from Mrs. Kim Bax, 24th May 2006, to both Q Super & QIC (Back to top) (Back to section)
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To:-
Don Kofoed, Q Super
And:-
QIC
Trevor Rowe | Ken MacDonald | John Allpass | Ian Brusasco AM | David
Harrison | Marian Micalizzi | Maurice Newman
Doug McTaggart | Laurie Brindle | Susan Buckley | Michael Cottier | John Gethin-Jones | Brad Holzberger
Re:- Plunging Sydney toll profits
Goodmorning,
I assume this article - 23rd May 2006 - and the official figures it
quotes, will figure prominently in any decision on whether or not to
sink my pension money into the Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel?
You can add that to my list of official questions, as "No.
6":-
<<Sydney Morning Herald - 23rd May 2006 RECORD petrol prices are forcing Sydney motorists to drive less, buy fewer cars and switch away from four-wheel-drive vehicles. New figures also show traffic volumes appear to have fallen, raising questions about the profitability of privately owned motorways. Fewer 4WDs were sold in NSW last month than in any month for three years, while car sales continued a slide that began early last year. Traffic fell on the Eastern Distributor, M4 and M5 toll roads in the year to April, says Macquarie Infrastructure Group's monthly report to the stock exchange, the first annual decline since 2001.>> Continued in full here:- http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/petrol-prices-hit-car-sales/2006/05/22/1148150189141.html
Regards, Kim
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question from Mrs. Kim Bax, on the 24th May 2006, to both Q Super & QIC
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To:-
Don Kofoed (Q Super)
And:-
QIC
Trevor Rowe | Ken MacDonald | John Allpass | Ian Brusasco AM | David
Harrison | Marian Micalizzi | Maurice Newman
Doug McTaggart | Laurie Brindle | Susan Buckley | Michael Cottier | John Gethin-Jones | Brad Holzberger
Re:- Brisbane Lord Mayor Campbell "Woodchips" Newman
Goodmorning,
Here's question no. 7 in relation to ploughing pension funds into the
Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel.
Will you be taking serious account of Campbell Newman's futuristic
fantasies, incorrect knowledge base and bizarre assumptions when
deciding whether or not to dump portions of my money into this project?
I refer you to Campbell Newman's letter to me of the 19th May 2006, in
which he claims cars may run on woodchips, then denies there's any
certainty global oil production will peak at all - and goes on to claim
that oil purchases will rise and car journeys will increase even in the
face of oil depletion.
Here's his letter - and my reply. I strongly recommend you read
it. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic:-
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from Kim Bax to Peter Beattie & Campbell Newman (25th May 2006).
Copy sent to Q Super & QIC (Back to top)
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(cc list, "from" & correspondence/Hirsch Report links below) Dear Campbell & Peter, Two very direct questions for you, about the ultimate profitability (or otherwise), of the Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel. 1. What's your direct response to "The Hirsch Report"? 2. What's your direct response to millionaire energy banker Matt Simmons assertion that:- "Oil use will always equal supply plus stock liquidation." I remind both of you that in this case, the usual political avoidance and weasel words wont't "Fly," so to speak. Why? Because I've asked both Q Super and QIC to respond to "The Hirsch Report" too. That's serious, that involves cold, hard cash - mine. And I'm not going away with that question. They WILL respond. I guess bankers and money men are a bit too hard nosed to believe that cars/trucks will be powered "by wind, water, hydrogen or woodchips" any time in the next 10 years (the MOST optimistic date of "Peak oil") - as Campbell asserts in his letter to me of the 19th May 2006. So I guess you'll have to come up with something better than that. Something that gives real confidence to the cash holders. However, in my view, the planet has other plans. And she always has the last word. Regards, Kim From Mrs. Kim Bax, (Address supplied) cc - Brisbane City Councillors cc - State politicians (Qld) cc - Federal politicians (Qld) cc - Q Super cc - QIC "The Hirsch Report":- “Wikpedia” entry for the document http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report Robert Hirsch’s own summary of the report http://acus.org/docs/051007-Hirsch_World_Oil_Production.pdf The full report itself http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf This correspondence:- www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm (Back to top) (Back to section)
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Reminder to the Queensland Investment Corporation (Back to top)
(Back to section) 11 To:- Queensland Investment Corporation (advisors to Q Super superannuation fund), board & management. From:- Mrs. Kim Bax (Q Super member), contact details below cc - List below Re:- Risks associated with investing pension money in the planned "Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel," in the light of widely acknowledged global oil depletion. Goodmorning, Over one calendar month ago (May 2006), I sent the board and management of QIC some questions about the risks associated with investing pension money in the planned "Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel," in the light of widely acknowledged global oil depletion. As of todays date, 5th of July 2006, these questions have neither been acknowledged, or answered. Hence this reminder. I look forward to hearing from you in due course. For your convenience, here they are again:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#six http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#eight http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#nine I would also remind you that the correspondence I refer to in this email has been officially submitted to a current Senate Committee, e.g. "Inquiry into Australia's future oil supply and alternative transport fuels." For your convenience again, here it is:- http://www.aph.gov.au/SENATE/committee/rrat_ctte/oil_supply/submissions/sub175a.pdf I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Kim cc - Federal politicians (Qld) cc - State politicians (Qld) cc - Lord Mayor Campbell Newman & Brisbane City Councillors cc - Courier Mail (editor & journalists) cc - Trade Unions (Qld) cc - Communities Against the Tunnel (Tristan Peach) cc - Q Super, Don Kofoed
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August 2006) (Back to top)
(Back to section) 12 From:- Mrs. Kim Bax (contact details below) To:- The Management & Board of The Queensland Investment Corporation cc:- List below Re:- 3 month old unanswered questions about investing my pension fund in the The Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel, in relation to global oil depletion Goodmorning, Almost 3 months ago, on the 19th May 2006, I sent you these questions about investing my money in the North South Brisbane Bypass Tunnel, taking into account global oil depletion:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#six With two further questions on the 24th May 2006, here:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#eight And here:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#nine And over a month ago, I sent you a first reminder about these unanswered and even unacknowledged questions, on the 5th July 2006:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#q11 Despite this, as of to-day's date - 11th August 2006 - these questions remain unanswered and unackowldeged. To my mind, considering I am asking you key questions about how you plan to invest MY money, this is gross and unacceptable arrogance. I would also remind you that this growing correspondence has been submitted to a Senate Committee, e.g the inquiry into "Australia's Future Oil Supply and Alternative Transport Fuels." Here's a link to my submission:- http://www.aph.gov.au/SENATE/committee/rrat_ctte/oil_supply/submissions/sub175a.pdf And here's a link to the inquiry:- http://www.aph.gov.au/SENATE/committee/rrat_ctte/oil_supply/index.htm And here's a quote from a web page I administer, "Queensland After Oil" (a local initiative of "The Post Carbon Institute"):- "And here's my further public questions to The Queensland Investment Corporation, re NOT investing MY super fund savings in planned "Brisbane North South Bypass Tunnel" http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm Again, NO answer - BUT they'll get a circulated & publically posted email/rerminder from me (re my questions), every calendar month ad infinitum (they've already had one at the time of writing). Looks like the above link might turn into one very LONG web page. A public testament to deliberate corporate blindness - and I've also submitted my correspondence to the Senate's 'Inquiry Into Australia's Future Oil Supply and Alternative Transport Fuels.' " And I would also remind you that AFTER my original questions to you (which contain reference to "The Hirsch Report"), ABC 4 Corners featured this crucial issue - and interviewed Robert L. Hirsch, author of this USA Government report (July 10th 2006). Here's a link:- http://abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20060710/ I look forward to hearing from you in a reasonable time frame, considering the seriousness of my questions. Regards, Kim From Mrs. Kim Bax, (address supplied) cc - Federal politicians (Qld) cc - State politicians (Qld) cc - Communities Against the Tunnel (Tristan Peach) cc - Trade Unions (Qld) cc - Brisbane City Councillors & Mayor cc - Courier Mail (Editor & journalists) (Back to top) (Back to section)
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Response from the QIC - 11th August 2006 (Back to top) (Back to section) 13 Re: Your various correspondence Dear Mrs Bax, I have been requested to respond to you and indicate that the appropriate course of action is for you to deal with Q Super on this matter (via Mr Don Kofoed) and that it would be inappropriate for QIC to respond to you directly on the matters that you have raised. Regards Andrew Arkell Head of Corporate & Advisory Services QIC Level 6 Central Plaza Two, 66 Eagle Street GPO Box 2242 Brisbane, Qld 4001 Australia Tel 61 7 3360 3856 Fax 61 7 3360 3979 Mobile 0419 735 791 Email a.arkell@qic.com Web www.qic.com |
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A Further response from Kim Bax to QIC (Back to top) (Back to section) 14 To Andrew Arkell & the Board & Management of Q Super & QIC Dear Andrew, If you check out this web page of mine:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm You'll see that I have (very obviously), already written to Q Super on these matters, on the 3rd May 2006. Here's my correspondence of that date:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#one And here's their reply of the 11th May 2006:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#two Q Super referred my questions to your organisation. Here's a couple of key quotes from them to illustrate this:- "Q Super employs QIC as its investment manager." And:- "I understand that the Bypass Tunnel may be listed on the Australian Stock Exchange in the future. If this occurs, it will be assessed on its investment merits by QIC, and other investment managers employed by QIC, to decide whether the shares constitute a good investment." Thus Q Super has clearly indicated to me that your organisation - QIC - bears key responsibility for assessing "Investment merits," and thus it appears you have the ultimate say on where MY money does (and doesn't), go. Andrew, my crucial questions will NOT be side-lined by some weasily game of corporate "Ping pong." What an earth do you think you're playing at? It's obvious to anyone who has the eyes to look that I have already taken my questions to Q Super, and that they have quite clearly refereed me to you - QIC. Let's face it Andrew, can you think of any MORE important questions than those I have asked? The Australian public has every right to hear your public responses on these core issues. Or is this the real problem that it's too embarrassing for QIC to give a public response? Is the real problem that "The emperor has no clothes"? So AGAIN Andrew, I'm putting my public questions directly to QIC - as I have every right to do - and I look forward to your direct and non-avoidant response in a reasonable time frame. Here they are again for you convenience:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#six And:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#eight And:- http://www.kimspages.org/qsuperletter.htm#nine Regards, Kim cc - Federal politicians (Qld) |